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Post by Arianna on Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:22 pm

I am writing you because I need help with a situation: there is someone name tammyanel that is copying my version of my "Braid w/ Play Loop" and I have tried to talk to her and she won't budge about not selling them. This has happened before when she tried to copy AmyMichells ladder and she had to stop but this time she doesn't want to. Can you help by spreading the word that she is copying again, can someone speak to her and tell her she is wrong? I am giving you the thread where it talks about this ladder issue and I have also copied and pasted my PM to her as well as her reply to me. Help Please!!!!

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12477

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To tammyangel
Hi, I wanted t write to you to tell you nicely that your hanging toy with a ring at the bottom is just like mine. I made hat up and have sold it on my website and here a while ago. Instead of doing a public, unnecessary post about your new toy I wuld like to take care of this between us and reapectfully ask you if you would please not sell yours. Here is my website so you see what I do: www.freewebs.com/sandmanspouches
I realize that with this type of animal we are all just basicaly doing things to keep our suggies entertained and I know this was not intentional but I still must ask that this idea be my own. Don't take this the wrong way...I am not ganging up you and would really like to keep this between us, if it is possibe.
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Reply From Tammyangel:
I looked at yours the only thing is the ring we have in common and mine is plastic and yours is metal.I have mine made of flowers and beads yours is made of fleece.Im not the only one making theses in different styles.Ive never been on your site at all.So Ive come up with this idea on my own with the flowers and beads and the ring Ive had rings hanging in my cages for eight years now.I dont mean to disrespect you but I will not take the toy off since its not made of the same materials or even close.If mine was made exactly that would be different./

To Tammyangel
Thank you for being so understanding...For your information not all the rings are metal and yes mine are fleece but the concept is the same...Don't worry sell you toys...I know for sure I made this and you just happen to come up with the same idea. It dosn't still make it right that you don't respect what I sell and the fact that I didn't chose to say something publically says that I did want to fix this privately, since this is't the case it will get fixed other ways.
Did't you also try to sell ladders like Amy Michell's and you understood that and you don't sell that now, right?

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Re: Coping by Tammyangel

Post by Tortiebaby on Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:39 pm

Ummm...maybe I'm missing something, but the 2 toys look coppletely different to me. :scratch: Hers is a string with beads and flowers and a plastic ring on the bottom with sparkly stuff wrapped around it. Yours is a sewn fleece rope(not sure hwy you call it a braid since it's not even braided...) with what looks like a thin metal bracelet attached to the bottom.

Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this... :roll:

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http://www.freewebs.com/sandmanspouches/pricelist.htm
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Post by ~LYNSIE~ on Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:47 pm

Even I don't think they are the same thing. Although, hers do look similar to John's foraging flower toy :roll:
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Post by Suggiemom on Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:50 pm

Yea, I kinda have to agree...they're not much alike at all. Tammy Angel is irritating as sand in yer crack at the beach, but I don't think that the two items are very similar. I mean, I make a water bottle cover and sell em' with my cage sets that looks like yours, but I've been doing mine for years....some things are just gonna BE similar ya know?

By the way.....your screen name....OMG. I thought it was THE sandman.....if you're not familiar with him there is a guy who is a mill breeder and he's bad news and he goes by the name of Sandmans Gliders or "Sandman". I sure wouldn't want my name to be anywhere close to his for fear that people would confuse us! He is very despised in the glider community!

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Re: Coping by Tammyangel

Post by PrincessMegi on Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:51 pm

I don't think she copied that at all. (I know shocking...lol)

If anything, you could be copying Donna's Boing...

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Post by Xglider on Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:55 pm

~LYNSIE~ wrote:Even I don't think they are the same thing. Although, hers do look similar to John's foraging flower toy :roll:

I have to agree with you there ...

http://www.freewebs.com/xglider/foragingtoys.htm MINE ...

and now that the subject is open ...


??? Front "Back" Pack Purse ???
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Re: Coping by Tammyangel

Post by Tortiebaby on Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:13 pm

Man, this thread has really taken a flip, lol. I thought that front back pouch looked copied. What is the pouch it's like, the 5-in-1 or the sissy? I never can keep track of things. :roll:

Suggiemom wrote:Tammy Angel is irritating as sand in yer crack at the beach

Ya'll think of some of the funniest analogies(did I spell that right? :scratch: I'm lazy today :sleep: )!
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Re: Coping by Tammyangel

Post by Arianna on Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:27 pm

Not all my "braids" have a metal loop:
Here I anounced an order on page with the meatl loop...
http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11171&whichpage=2
and here I show it with a plastic loop:
http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12518
On my website I also show it...

I call it a braid cause I couldn't come up with a better name...i don't see the relevance of a name. i simply am sayong that just cause she changes the material used dosn't make the item diffrent.

If ANY of my items are like anyone else's a simple "hey...we need to talk", is suffice for me not to sell that item. I handel my stuff with respect, and if it has been done already than I can assure you it was not intentional and will be removed if the owner says something. I in no way am copying anyone intentionally. I would not do that.

My email is sandmansjupiter@aol.com if someone needs to correct me on any item.

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Post by Arianna on Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:32 pm

Suggiemom wrote:Yea, I kinda have to agree...they're not much alike at all. Tammy Angel is irritating as sand in yer crack at the beach, but I don't think that the two items are very similar. I mean, I make a water bottle cover and sell em' with my cage sets that looks like yours, but I've been doing mine for years....some things are just gonna BE similar ya know?

By the way.....your screen name....OMG. I thought it was THE sandman.....if you're not familiar with him there is a guy who is a mill breeder and he's bad news and he goes by the name of Sandmans Gliders or "Sandman". I sure wouldn't want my name to be anywhere close to his for fear that people would confuse us! He is very despised in the glider community!

I did not know that...umm...I guess I need to change that. lol I was called "Sandmansjupiter" since Highschool. It is funny cause I have never come across that...thanks for telling me.

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Post by Tortiebaby on Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:38 pm

sandman wrote:i simply am sayong that just cause she changes the material used dosn't make the item diffrent.

Actually, changing the material(and adding flowers and beads) DOES make it different. If it was changed from fleece to cotton, or something like that, then, obviously, it would be the same. but, for example, when someone makes a fabric cube and then someone else makes a plastic mesh(or whatever that plastic stuff is called) cube, then those become 2 completely different products.
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Post by Suggiemom on Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:59 pm

I agree. In this case as much as I dislike the idea of giving Tammy any credit even if it's due...LOL, she didn't copy you. Like I said, your bottle covers look like mine and your pouches look very similar to Sissy's or the 5 - 1's that have been around for a long time. One toy of yours looks like the boing thingy and the others like Johns toys....it's easy to do even if you've never seen someone else's items because there are only just so many ways to do certain things and you can be sitting by yourself and come up with what you think is a fantastic idea and chances are, someone else had the same epiphany.....LOL

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Post by valkyriemome on Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:13 pm

Don't worry about it one way or another - she is a girldog, won't change what she does, copies deliberately - and I don't know many who would buy from her anyway!

Even if it was a carbon copy, I think you'd be mostly safe ... I wouldn't buy anything from her.
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Post by Something_To_Believe_in on Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:29 pm

These two toys are not the same thing at all. I might be a bit upset if anyone was to go to my store and accuse me of copying someone else just because I have a ring hanging from one of my toys or some other minor similarity.
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Re: Coping by Tammyangel

Post by Arianna on Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:38 am

ok...let me say this...

I contacted tammyangel in a private chat this morning at 7 am or so...I expected this to be handled in an adult way and privately, hence the PRIVATE MESSAGE. When I got out of school and the academy I was informed of tammyangel contacting a lot of people including an administrator of a site I belong to. I then decided to employ my friends and previous customers for support.

I never threatened her to any point. If I wanted to threaten her I would have told her I was a cop in training. I don't see why she would say this and it bugs me to know this is now a rumor.

I also don't see why I have now been threatened by an administrator to be banned? Did I miss something? Weather or not any of you agree with what I say or not, I did not in anyway disrespect anyone, and I tried avoiding a dumb cat fight which is unnecessary.

At this point....I will not sell that item, just as a mater of principle.
Since it has been brought to my attention that I have also copied off someone else's work, I would like for whom ever it is to please accept my apology and email me with the specific item so I won't do this to any one.

I further more would like this matter to be dropped before It continues to spiral into something more ugly than what it is.

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Post by Tortiebaby on Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:47 am

Well, like Something_to_believe said, I too would be pretty upset if I was accused of copying someone's work(especially if it didn't look anything like it!). :x

BTW, don't expect stuff to be "dropped" on this forum like it is on other forums. :lol: The point of LGG is to be able to say the truth without the fear of a Mod coming and locking the thread because we're being "mean" and picking on people, lol. :P :twisted: (believe me, I've learned the hard way...and am still learning, lol)
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Post by Suggiemom on Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:05 am

Yeaaaa no offense, but we don't do the whole "Things aren't going my way please close this thread" thing. NOT that I think you started this thread to start trouble in any way, but it doesn't work that way here.

As for being threatened on another board. Lemme guess, glider gossip?

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Post by usha77 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:56 am

Don't worry about it, Sandman. :) Everyone is entitled to their own feelings. Hopefully everything will calm down soon.
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Post by hollysmom on Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:31 pm

well here my 2 cents for what they are worth ....it would kinna be like people saying this is a sissy knock off. I guess it depends on how much you look
http://www.freewebs.com/sandmanspouches/accessories.htm

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Post by Xglider on Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:15 pm

My ½ cent for the day …

Sandman, your one pouch as noted - does look like a sissy...

Laurie, you indicated that it looks like Sandman copied one of mine ... actually that would be the one that Tammy is selling ... looks like my Flower Foraging string ...
Hers:
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Mine:
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Scroll down to the middle of the page …

so sandman i have no issue with your products ...

and while I should say something to Tammy,… I just don’t have the energy to bother … I think my quality speaks for it self and I will not waist my time on Glider Gossip
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Post by Dancing on Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:56 pm

John darhlin

you have no need to worry. EVERYONE knows your toys are the best!
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Post by ~LYNSIE~ on Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:01 pm

The fun part is. . . . .Tammy will be at the MWSGGA (I think). Hehehehehe I don't HAVE to be good, do I? :twisted:
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Post by Arianna on Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:12 pm

At the end of the day...I have looked like a trouble maker and that is far form the truth. I have now been told that I will be "banned" if my "witch hunt" doesn't stop. I would have liked this to be done privately and I only involved my friends, past customers, and this forum when I saw my name was being dragged in the mud and at that point it was only for support.

In reference to the sissy pouch...I will not sell my Front "Back" Pack Purse...just as a matter of principle and respect.

I want to stress again, that if any one of my items looks like anyone else's stuff, please email me and I will not sell it. I guarantee that don't go on others peoples web sites looking for things to copy.

By the way...my "braid"...I won' sell that either.

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Post by Suggiemom on Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:24 pm

Are they threatening you on Glider Gossip? Believe me, being banned from there is a GOOD thing!!!! They have nothing to offer the glider community. Those members who are decent and kind and only want to help people are part of LGG and GC so any info they could give you at GG you can get elsewhere, the rest of them are Eric asskissers and well, then there is Eric who is nothing but a basement dwelling troll who, at this point we're not even sure if he HAS a sugar glider of his own....He rules GG as if he knows what he's talking about and he doesn't know diddly....

And John, I'll have to check that toy out more closely cuz I will nail anyone I catch copying your stuff!!! I AM ADDICTED TO YOUR TOYS!! LOL they're the only ones I buy.

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Post by hollysmom on Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:37 pm

seeeeeeeeeeeeee this is why I make things show them to people and say see go make your own its to much of an effort to go thru all that...............I agree Laurie I love John's toys too. I have my VERY first toy that was given to me and it was Johns and its still in use lots and lots of use!!!

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Post by Xglider on Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:50 pm

THanks everyone ... and that is why i am not even bothering with this ...

GG is not worth the time to both with at all as far as i am concerned .. lol..
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