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Post by MatchMakersMagic on Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:17 pm

This is some wonderfully complied information that was sent to me by a very concerned glider mommy (Chelsie). I wanted to post this - and names have been changed/removed to protect the innocent! lol The following was forwarded to me about a member Beth. If anyone knows of any other names this member goes by and what forum it is associated with please feel free to list them.

pennysmom wrote:
I wanted you to know that this is NOT a personal vendetta against Mrs. Smith. I have no "personal" reason to dislike her. I am sadden by how her gliders are kept and treated. I wish I had pictures and emails to back me up. I have been in her home, and I was considered a friend by her. That was all until I learned what she was doing.

I have only been a member of the glider community for a little over a year. In this time I have come to learn a great deal. GC was a huge part of my learning. I want to thank you for that. However I also want to stress a few issues here with Mrs Smith and beg you to please take a lot of consideration into not letting her post.

The facts that I have:

Beth Smith has bred a "rejected" status joey without any concern for offspring.

In a GC post dated 2-1-08 She says this:




.....Chip was the most amazing glider God ever created. She accepted and raised a surrogate joey. This little guy was removed from his dead mommy's pouch when he was only about two weeks into the pouch. He found a nipple on Chip and is now a health, happly boy. His name is Miracle and will live in our home forever....

If you do a little research here you will see that Miracle was bred to Destiny to produce Cuddles & Prince. Both are wfb and Beth kept them. They also had 2 grey joeys who beth sold. Cuddles was paired up and bred. Prince.. I am not sure. He is on a part ownership with the owner of the pet store.

In a GC post dated 5-5-08 Beth Claims that Destiny and Miracle (wbf and grey) have bred. You can see by her signature where she has them "paired"





...Hello everyone,
I am confused and am hoping that someone here can explain a few things to me. I have had gliders for two years and have had the opportunity to have several joeys. My newest little girl is 9 months old and is a second generation white faced blond. She is mated with a standard grey, who is also 9 months old. They have been togther since they were about 10 week oop. I discovered a tiny joey in her pouch this past weekend. I have a few questions about our newest tiny family member.

1. Is the white faced gene dominate or
recessive?
2. Will she have 50% of her babies turn out to
be whb given that she is mated with a
standard grey?
3. Will all of her babies carry the wfb gene?
4. What exactly does het mean?
5. How do I descibe her joeys?
a. those who are wfb?
b. those who are grey?
6. How soon out of the pouch before you can
tell the color of the glider?

I know this is a lot of questions, but this is new and confusing for me. Thank you to everyone.

Beth, Mom to Dale, Lilly, Pebbles, BammBamm, Miracle & Destiny...

Beth Smiths Introduction to LGG:
http://lauriesglidergazette.forumotion.com/a-little-bit-about-me-f3/new-to-llg-from-oregon-t6730.htm#142795

Points I would like to make in regards to this link are as follows:

It is apparent that the recent "deformed joey" post is not Mrs Smiths first. Could this be a problem directly linked to her breeding gliders without lineage? In the above link she says this:




....Hello to all,
Tammy told me about this site last night. We had a minor joey emergency and she came to our aid. Thank God all is well and hopefully the joey will be fine. He will be a special needs glider, missing one back foot. We will contacting Val for advice on cage setup and accomodations he/she may need....


Breeding without lineage:
Beth states here that she has a "few pairings" reference the above link:



....As for me, I bought my first glider (Pebbles) in March of 2006...She is paired with BamBam. They are amazing parents and pets. I have BamBam's dad Dale in with P&B's daughter DeeDee. I have a beautiful WFB named Destiny...

Within this LGG post you can read all about her "rescue" attempt. She starts to post on the 2nd page.

Link: http://lauriesglidergazette.forumotion.com/rescuer-chat-f8/have-a-lady-in-az-who-helps-with-getting-gliders-t6387.htm

Points I would like to make in regards to this link are as follows:

I would like to point out that Mrs Smith took in a bonded colony as a rescue. She then split them all up. She says this:




...As for the 8 gliders, the 3 older males were adopted by a wonderful family in Grants Pass. I do not believe that I could have found them a happier home id I had tried. Two of the girls are living together here in town with a very patient mommy. One of those two is living with minot neurological issues. This owner works with the vet so any/all issues will be dealt with promptly. The other two females are moving to just south of the Eugene area this weekend. They are both in good health. That leaves the joey who will be placed next week.

After returning from Ca. I took two of the gliders into my local exotic vet for wellness checks. They passed will flying colors. The vet said he did not need to see the rest. I got the colony into two large flight cages. One for the older boys and one for the girls plus joey. I transfered them from the grape/carrot/mealworm diet to BML fresh fruits & veggies,Gliderade and assorted insects. Their fur is so soft now....


As for this statement. 3 Males were adopted by Melissa is Grants Pass, she is a GC member. The two girls were given to a lady named Tracy. She works for a local vet. When she was caught looking for a male to breed them to she was instructed to give them back. Once back in Mrs Smiths care they were adopted out to a lady named Kristen in Newberg Or. (note: those girls were shuffled between 3 owners in under a month). She gave two other girls to a lady she is good friends with. The joey was sold to Nate. He is the owner of Zany Zoo Pet store in Eugene Oregon. Nate then sold him to a random person looking for a glider. The gliders we not taken in to see Dr. Sean. Mrs Smith gathered stool from two gliders and took that in for fecals. Once the two fecals were clear she sold or gave them away.


Back to breeding without lineage. You will see in the above referenced link the following information which further supports the fact that Beth Smith is breeding without lineage:


...Hi, I live in Eugene. I have had gliders for 3 years. I got first one shortly after my mom died in Feb. 2006. She is a std gray named Pebbles. In May of that year I adopted a pregnant pair that was on conginment at our local exotic pet store, Zany Zoo....Back to my gliders. Chip & Dale came to me in May 2006. I kept their son, BamBam and mated him with Pebbles. Their daughter went to a friend of mine. I Sept of 2007 I adopted from Zany Zoo a white faced blonde....Her name is Destiny. Her mate is Miracle. He earned is name. His mom died while he was tiny in her pouch. The glider's owner took her to Zany Zoo. Nate, the owner of Zany Zoo, brought the dead mom to my house.

He removed the joey and slid it into Chip's pouch. She had a tiny joey in her pouch at the time. He found a nipple a latched on. I explained to Chip & Dale what had happened and that this little baby needed them. You honestly would never know this was not their joey. I donated the female who was already in pouch to Zany Zoo for educational purposes....Miracle and Desiny are in love. Oh, Miracle is std. gray. At some point in 2008 I adopted one of Dale's grandson's, Freddie. He is mated with Cuddles. She is a wfb from Destiny & Miracle. This is my glider colony. Each pair is in their cage....

Scroll down a bit and you will see:



....Bad mom, I forgot a glider. I have DeeDee, one of Pebbles & BamBam's in with Dale. They are expecting their first set of twins. I was considering nuetering Dale. He self mutalates, overgrooms his entire lower half. He was doing this when I got him. I am concerned that nuetering him will be very hard on him....


In a recent visit to Mrs Smiths home I was shown a pretty little wfb girl. She was the offspring of Cuddles and Freddie. She is lined up to be bred as well. Dale (the SM boy) is still not neutered. The only male in her home neutered is Miracle.

By the time you get to the 3rd page of this link you will see Mrs. Smith "elaborate" on her "rescue" efforts:





....I am sorry. I was wrong to sell a rescue joey to a pet store. I am new to all of this and I have obviously done wrong. I have realized my mistakes and I will not make them again. The 7 gliders taken out of California went as follows:

3 boys found a loving home with a woman in oregon where they all live happy together and are deeply loved.

2 girls went to a lady who is an amazing friend of mine and will love them forever.

2 girls went to a Vet Tech who I thought was going to care for them the right way. Unfortunately after being told they should never be bred, and should be kept together she has been looking for a male for them. What is done with them now is out of my control but I have contacted the Vet, her boss to tell him of the situation and he has agreed to talk to her and inform her of the reasons to why they should never be bred...The little joey was going to go into foster care until he was more hand tame to rehome. With a turn of unfortunate events in my personal life I
had to trust my friend to find him a loving home. My friend is the owner of a pet store.. so yes he was sold for a small fee to a pet store...



The next link I would like to share with you is this one:

http://lauriesglidergazette.forumotion.com/glider-chat-f15/apology-to-members-of-forum-t8685.htm#185863

Within this link I would like to point out the following:

Beth Smith has stated many times that her boys are getting neutered:




... will step back, grow up, neuter my males and do my research. Please accept my apology....



....In clarification regarding my license. When I got my license two of my girls were pregnant and I had not made the final decision to neuter the whole lot. Also, I personally own 4 females. I simply am covering all my bases. Either way my guys are all in line to be neutered. In this order: Dale, Miracle, BamBam, Freddie, Prince and last one of my friend's. I have one joey in the pouch, if it is a male it will also be neutered as it will not be leaving my home.

Hopefully this clarifies the issue. My license is a breeder/dealer but I will no longer be breeding once all the boys are snipped. If you have any further questions please feel free to ask....

I would like to point out that these statements were made by Mrs. Smith on 6-7-09. Clearly she forgot to neuter her boys.

I would now like to show you this link:

http://lauriesglidergazette.forumotion.com/glider-chat-f15/nueter-scheduled-t8731-15.htm#188338

Again we are told that neuters are scheduled:



....Just let everyone know that I do mean what I say. Dale, my oldest male and the one who overgrooms, is being nuetered on 6/11. Once he is healed Miracle will go in next. Please include Dale in your prayers....




.....Miracle was neutered on Thrusday morning June 11th. Would you like a copy of the bill from the vet I will mail you one? Or the vet's phone number so you can call and verify? I do not mean to be rude but I am tired of being called a liar. I do not know how to take a picture of Miracle, his tummy and ecollar to post on the internet or I would....

I hope this helps to shed a little bit of light on the situation. It is so sad to see people doing this to gliders. Especially when online forums are said to be for the good of the glider(s). Nothing that she is doing is good for the gliders. I understand wanting to help people in bad situations. But when it is done over and over... it is wrong. It is wrong to continue to help someone without steping in to say " this is not right, you need to get your males neutered. I would like to help the JOEY in this situation, but I would also like to stress the fact that the parents need to be neutered." Only on LGG has anyone ever said anything to her. She has been called out on her actions, and refuses to take responsability for them. So she goes to GC where she knows we cant call her out and posts looking once again for help. Help for herself.. not the innocent babies she continues to hurt.


Thank you for your time. ~Chelsie~


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Post by obsolescenttears on Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:55 pm

This whole situation is sooo unacceptable. This lady is a total Loonie toon thank you Chelsie and Kinue for bringing this situation to the light - and this woman should be on everyones :poo poo: list. I mean come on, this goes so far beyond newbie stupidity. :grrrrr !:
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Post by Something_To_Believe_in on Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:25 pm

For other names, Chelsie has listed her as :

Beth Smith/beth/lovngliders
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Post by pennysmom on Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:28 pm

She has recently changed her GC profile to say Bethany, yesterday it said Janet.... and also changed her location to Grand Rapids, MI.

She is also known to go by Elizabeth or Liz.

I have never known anyone with so many names.

Thank you Kinue for posting the information I sent to you!
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Post by usha77 on Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:24 pm

And, I believe a bunch of us are friends with her on facebook...
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Post by MatchMakersMagic on Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:27 pm

Yea Brenda?

And no problem Chelsie. :)

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Post by usha77 on Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:47 pm

Yeah. I pretty much accept any glider owner as a friend, and I believe she is one of them - Beth Smith of Eugene, OR, right? Just checking.
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Post by MatchMakersMagic on Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:58 pm

Whats her SN here?

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Post by usha77 on Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:04 pm

I don't recall and the links in Chelsie's info aren't working...
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Post by MatchMakersMagic on Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:06 pm

They aren't working for me either.

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Post by TWilson on Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:10 pm

This is a thread that Chelsie posted in glider rants, it details some of what was said here in this one.
She is lovngliders on LGG


http://lauriesglidergazette.forumotion.com/glider-chat-f15/nueter-scheduled-t8731-15.htm#188338

Ooops, wrong thread, see below post.


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Post by usha77 on Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:32 pm

Yep, lovngliders on here - she hasn't been on here since November 14th or something like that.
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Post by pennysmom on Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:42 am

Sorry I would have answered the questions, but I dont have internet after 11am... 😢

I did see a LOT of you are friends with her on facebook. No she has not been back here in a long time, at least not under that user name. I do not think she will come to LGG she knows that there are a lot of questions I would like answered, and she is to scared to do so. I do wish she would though!
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Post by Cora on Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:59 am

Chelsie, I absolutely love your avatar!!!!! now back to the thread at hand...............
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Post by pennysmom on Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:03 am

Kinue- Can you fix the links?

The first one should be:


second one:
Within this LGG post you can read all about her "rescue" attempt. She starts to post on the 2nd page.
http://lauriesglidergazette.forumotion.com/rescuer-chat-f8/have-a-lady-in-az-who-helps-with-getting-gliders-t6387.htm

third link:

The last one:


Sorry I should have tested the links yesterday when I read the post.


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Post by Critter Hill on Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:01 pm

I ran to Facebook to check and didn't even get as far as my friends list as she was the name on the right side under suggestions. 24 people are mutual friends with her.
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Post by pennysmom on Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:05 pm

:funny stuff: 24.. holy cow
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Post by MatchMakersMagic on Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:07 pm

Fixed. ;)

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Post by usha77 on Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:10 pm

You know what they say...keep your friends close and your enemies closer...lol
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Post by daddyglider on Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:25 pm

so are people deleting her from facebook friends.
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Post by usha77 on Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:03 pm

I'm not. :huh ?:
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Post by pennysmom on Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:35 am

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I think it is personal preference. I would never want to be associated with someone like her. People that I have on my friends list's anywhere are people I like, and trust. I don't believe in "keeping an eye" on her. She is never going to change and I don't ever want anyone to associate me with that nut job. I never accepted her friend request so no need to delete it. :Smile:
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Post by Cora on Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:45 am

I thought it was the other Beth in OR when I accepted her as a friend on FB......gotta go fix it!
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Post by pennysmom on Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:48 am

The other beth; (kitsune) is Beth Halbrock.
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